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Tuesday, December 21, 2010

Science is more (and less) than you think!

When you hear the word “science,” what do you envision? Goggles and white lab coats? Mathematical formulas on a blackboard? A casually dressed couple in straw hats brushing away at the bones of a velociraptor? Very likely, your perception of what science is has been influenced (like mine) by childhood movies, comic strips, and/or the latest episode of Bones.

For this reason, my favorite part of teaching introductory geology laboratory sections was discussing the scientific method in the first lecture. Every university requires students to take a science course with a lab, regardless of their major. Thus introductory sections are filled with students from business, the liberal arts, and the like, all wondering why it is necessary to learn something about science. With that in mind, I try to remind students that the purpose of university curriculum is not merely to teach them ‘stuff’—the hardness of calcite, definition of unconformity, names of geologic periods—but how to think for themselves. So I am inspired by the Van Tillian couplet, “Every man can count, not every man can account for counting.”

Unfortunately, most people do not think scientifically or even logically, and the rhetoric of politicians and salesman commonly banks on this fact. To take a Black Swan example, consider how easily the difference between “Most terrorists are Muslims” and “Most Muslims are terrorists” is overlooked by the public in discussions of foreign and domestic social policy. Or consider how often you have heard the words “science has proven”, “scholars say”, and “studies show that”, without any consideration of how it was proven or which scholars say. Public discussion of scientific topics, especially when surrounding controversy, is commonly littered with empty appeals to authority and ad hominem argumentation: “Well biologist A, who works at prestigious university X has concluded after years of research that Y; therefore, I trust his/her word over yours,” or “You mean to tell me that human inputs to the atmosphere are partially responsible for climate change? Don’t tell me how it works, just tell me whether you’re receiving grant money from the government!” These tactics may work well to convince a jury, but they do not constitute critical thinking.

Perhaps, I should return to the original question and phrase it this way: is ‘science’ a noun or a verb? Is it something that is, or something that is done? I am not concerned here about dictionary definitions, semantic ranges, or etymology; rather, I want to elucidate the meaning of science in practice and its limitations. In other words, my goal is not to offer a comprehensive discussion of the scientific method throughout history, nor to lecture anyone about what I think science is. Instead, I want to simply show how science is the active pursuit of knowledge about the natural world, and is guided by an epistemological framework outside the realm of science itself.

My inspiration for this post comes from a recent article, by Roger Patterson at Answers in Genesis, entitled “What is science?” There, Mr. Patterson discusses the history of scientific thought, the difference between various types of scientific approaches, and how this relates to the study of Earth history. Since his aim is to defend the validity of Creation science and the Young-Earth interpretation of geological data, you may not find it surprising that I disagree with some of his comments and conclusions. However, I applaud his willingness to define the scope and methods of science from a young-Earth perspective, and would not dismiss the discussion wholesale. So I don’t expect to provide a rebuttal here so much as a discourse guided by the points he has already made.

The scientific method and categories of science

The scientific method is a process built around falsifying hypotheses, which are formulated from observations of the natural world (note: natural as opposed to supernatural or metaphysical; not as opposed to artificial). Let’s say you wanted to investigate the reason behind different yields from the same crop grown in two different regions. Your observations may include the actual crop yield, temperature and precipitation records, soil samples, etc., from which you can formulate a hypothesis such as: “Crop yield is a direct function of rainfall.” Sounds good, right?

While the explanation sounds plausible, especially if the region with higher yield receives significantly more precipitation and given that plants need water for growth, it is by no means proven. Science is much more than building plausible-sounding arguments! One must first demonstrate a correlation between rainfall and crop yield by falsifying the null hypothesis: “Crop yield is not a function of rainfall.” The falsification may require more observations or a controlled experiment to obtain statistical significance, which means that some uncertainty is involved. Furthermore, a statistical correlation may be consistent with the original hypothesis, but does not itself prove it. One must also falsify alternative explanations  for the same phenomenon; in this case, the dependence of yield on nutrient availability, soil type, solar irradiance, etc. For the hypothesis to remain scientific, it must also remain predictive of new facts (such as crop yield in regions C, D, E, etc., for a given amount of rainfall in the respective regions).

When a scientific hypothesis can predict new data, rather than being falsified thereby, it is treated as true (i.e. proven), but only provisionally so. The reason is that scientific hypotheses can only address existing data and are potentially falsifiable. Furthermore, scientific hypotheses are built (dependent) on a range of other scientific theories, which themselves remain only provisionally true. In this sense, a scientific premise may be proven and accepted as true, without any claim of infallibility. Considering the contingent nature of scientific conclusions, one may be inclined toward skepticism. However, one should also remember that the scientific method is self-correcting, since hypotheses not corresponding to reality are quickly falsified when tested by multiple independent researchers.

Philosophers of science typically make some distinction between experimental and historical methods of science (if you recall, I discussed historical science at length in a previous article). Since science must address a wide range of phenomenon (from molecular interactions to planetary motions; from modern world economies to human history; etc.), researchers may further refine the method according to their respective disciplines. Mr. Patterson describes the essential difference as following:

“Operational science deals with testing and verifying ideas in the present and leads to the production of useful products like computers, cars, and satellites. Historical (origins) science involves interpreting evidence from the past and includes the models of evolution and special creation.”

Mr. Patterson's dichotomy is not entirely inaccurate, but overly simplistic. Also, his use of the word "useful" is peculiar; is this to say that historical science does not produce useful products? The reconstruction of ancient texts, including the Bible, is one example of a useful product of historical science that Mr. Patterson would appreciate. Furthermore, while portions of evolutionary theory remain under the domain of historical science (e.g. the morphological history of phylogenies), a majority of research is experimental (or "operational") in nature. Finally, we must ask whether the notion of "special creation", as defined by Mr. Patterson, even falls into the category of historical science. But first, consider his comments on the limitations of historical science:

"Recognizing that everyone has presuppositions that shape the way they interpret the evidence is an important step in realizing that historical science is not equal to operational science. Because no one was there to witness the past (except God), we must interpret it based on a set of starting assumptions."

Presuppositions play a major role in disciplines that are hermeneutic (interpretive), and are not always obvious. However, the presence of underlying presuppositions is not unique to historical science, and therefore is not a valid means by which to distinguish it from experimental science. Mr. Patterson is mistaken if he believes that facts currently observed are any less "interpreted" than historical facts. To cite another Van Tillian couplet, "Brute facts are mute facts." Experimental science relies on a number of epistemological and metaphysical assumptions (the uniformity of nature, reliability of senses, nature of causality) and is dependent on potentially falsifiable scientific theories. The fundamental differences between historical and experimental science are the 1) method by which observations are made and 2) the availability of data to test hypotheses. In the historical sciences, nature has already set up the experiment, and data are thereby limited. Moreover, visual observation in person is not the only way to "witness the past." Mr. Patterson continues:

"Creationists and evolutionists have the same evidence; they just interpret it within a different framework. Evolution denies the role of God in the universe, and creation accepts His eyewitness account—the Bible—as the foundation for arriving at a correct understanding of the universe."

 This is a point on which I sincerely disagree, and I think it is an unfortunate caricature that only promulgates the misguided and unnecessary dichotomy between "Old-Earth Naturalism" and "Young-Earth Christianity", and between science and religion in general. First, unraveling the message of the Bible (especially as it pertains to history) is a matter of exegesis, which is in itself a hermeneutical science. Mr. Patterson or anyone else can argue for the validity of their reading of scripture above all others, but it is unfair and inaccurate to state that an acceptance of the Bible as God's witness precludes evolutionary theory (or any scientific theory, for that matter) from the interpretive framework. That assertion is a working hypothesis in competition with others, and is contingent upon the facts of linguistic theory, textual criticism, etc. As such, it is also potentially falsifiable. Secondly, the theory of evolution does not deny the role of God in the universe. Science operates under methodological naturalism, which means that it can only investigate natural explanations for natural phenomenon. By definition, the act of special creation (if defined as the sudden appearance or organization of matter by supernatural forces) is excluded from direct scientific investigation. Science does not, by definition, deny its truth, but is rather, by definition, silent on the matter. On the other hand, one can produce testable hypotheses in biology, geology, astronomy, etc. given a starting belief in special creation and a young Earth. In this sense, science could investigate the issue indirectly. Thus it is inaccurate to say "the denial of supernatural events limits the depth of understanding that science can have and the types of questions science can ask," as Mr. Patterson asserts later. Starting with a belief in God that providentially oversees the natural world does not change the scope or nature of scientific questions we can ask, since science is still limited by methodological naturalism. Theoretically, science could determine that all modern species appeared abruptly within the last 10,000 years, but science would still be silent on whether one God or millions of gods were responsible, and the personal character thereof. Taking an example from Mr. Patterson, let's consider this in practice:

"Even if the amazingly intricate structure of flagella in bacteria appears so complex that it must have a designer, naturalistic science cannot accept that idea because it falls outside the realm of naturalism/materialism."

Mr. Patterson reflects a common sentiment, which provides a powerful talking point in the discussion. At first, it appears the categorical limits of science prevent us from an unbiased assessment of nature. However, intrinsic to his argument is the premise that at some degree of observed complexity in organisms, we must conclude that the organism could not have arisen through "natural" processes. But how do we define that level of complexity? Some authors have made a case for biological features that are irreducibly complex, but keep in mind two things: 1) the identification of features as irreducibly complex is contingent on the existing data, and is potentially falsifiable in light of new observations; 2) even if the label can withstand new observations, it does not logically follow that the feature "must have a designer"; rather, we would only establish that to date, no known natural process can account for this feature. Remember that all science, regardless of one's philosophical commitments, is methodologically naturalistic (i.e. excludes supernatural explanations in practice). Thus "naturalistic science"—that is, science practiced by one who is a naturalist/materialist, according to Mr. Patterson—is not alone in excluding such a conclusion from the scientific investigation.

On what is natural

Before I sound as though I am contradicting myself, I want to clarify why I am comfortable, as a Christian, excluding design arguments from science. If one believes that a personal God is responsible for the existence of time, matter, and space, then it follows that everything is designed in the sense that every material instance has a purpose. In other words, the teleological principle is part of our a priori philosophical commitment to theism. As such, it cannot be the object of scientific investigation, which itself is built on principles of philosophy. Science cannot demonstrate design in nature any more than it can demonstrate the uniformity of natural laws; both are preconditions for knowledge about the natural world, while the former is unique to theistic worldviews.

My advice to Mr. Patterson, and anyone that supports the Intelligent Design (ID) movement, is to focus on exploring God's creation without attempting to redefine the scope of the scientific method. With the exception of Dembski's work, much of the ID movement's interaction with the public is somewhat misguided, and only results in equally misguided responses from critics of theism, such as Dawkins' examples of "bad design" (note: the word "intelligent" in ID is not meant to be contrasted with "stupid", but simply with "non-intelligent"; examples of "bad design" from Dawkins and others constitute interesting facts about nature, but are wasted efforts as arguments against ID).

Falsification and scientific theories

I mentioned earlier that the scientific method is built around falsification of hypotheses. The work of Karl Popper (and his critics) with regard to science as falsification has remained canonical through scientific disciplines. He argued that testability (the ability to prove wrong) is the key criterion for calling a study scientific. However, defining the criteria by which a hypothesis can be falsified is not always a simple, straightforward process. Most scientific theories/hypotheses have been modified numerous times in response to contrary evidence from previous experiments. Granted, this typically results in the 'self-correcting' aspect of science and a refinement of good scientific theories, but elucidates how bad theories can live beyond their years if supported by a stubborn, false paradigm (e.g. consider Kuhn's discussion of scientific revolutions). So how does this relate to the creation/evolution controversy? Mr. Patterson writes:

"Scientific theories must be testable and capable of being proven false. Neither evolution nor biblical creation qualifies as a scientific theory in this sense, because each deals with historical events that cannot be repeated. Both evolution and creation are based on unobserved assumptions about past events."

The fact that past events, such as the appearance of new species, cannot be repeated does not disqualify a theory from being scientific. When anthropologists/archaeologists excavate an ancient city, the response is hardly "Well, time to leave science at the door. Put on your guesswork hats!" The reason is that hypotheses about past events can be tested (i.e. falsified) by remaining evidence. In the case of evolution, there are numerous ways to falsify the theory: demonstrate that species share no vestigial remnants from a common lineage; demonstrate that all species appeared abruptly and coincidentally; demonstrate the existence of a predicted descendant taxon long before the existence of a predicted ancestral taxon (e.g. the existence of birds and theropods before crocodilia, which is the predicted common ancestor). By the same line of reasoning, Mr. Patterson's interpretation of the creation story can be tested scientifically, in that one can seek to falsify the hypothesis of a global flood, abrupt and distinct appearance of species/genera, and more. In fact, that is one major goal of my blog: to consider whether predictions stemming from the young-Earth model have not already been falsified. Theological details of the young-Earth model lie outside the scope of scientific investigation; historical events associated therewith, however, do not.

"Allowing only evolutionary teaching in public schools promotes an atheistic worldview, just as much as teaching only creation would promote a theistic worldview. Students are indoctrinated to believe they are meaningless products of evolution and that no God exists to whom they are accountable. Life on earth was either created or it developed in some progressive manner; there are no other alternatives. While there are many versions of both creation and evolution, both cannot be true." (emphasis added)

Years ago, I would have agreed with much of this statement. I now realize that the false dichotomy arises from an inability to properly define science. Mr. Patterson and others defending a young-Earth position have actually narrowed the scope of science—contrary to his complaint that materialistic science limits the depth of scientific inquiry—to the point that the validity of most science becomes dependent on a critique of supposed religious commitments (i.e. atheism) rather than its coherency and corroboration with past evidence. Unfortunately, this works in favor of Mr. Patterson among the general public, who is already suspicious of biological evolution. Notice how he connects the evolutionary origin of man with meaninglessness and moral relativism with ease. Is the connection a logical necessity? Two supposedly non-existent alternatives would be 1) a God, who created all species without moral purpose and holds none of them morally accountable; or 2) a God, who created all of history with purpose—lifeforms developed progressively over time, and the 'natural processes' reflect His handiwork/artistry—and holds a part of His creation morally accountable. Mr. Patterson's assessment is thus riddled with gratuitous assertions; primarily, that 'creation' must be an instantaneous event that occurs contrary to the laws of nature as we know them.

Uniformitarianism: a principle of geology; not 'that other church' around the corner

A longer discussion of uniformitarianism is warranted at some time, but I will conclude here with a few comments on Mr. Patterson's claims (for those interested in a detailed discussion of uniformitarianism, I strongly suggest reading Davis A. Young's chapter in The Bible, Rocks, and Time). I am sure that all of you are familiar with the basics of historical investigation, namely that we can use present facts to interpret past events. This applies to geology as well as human history, the former of which is built on the principle of uniformitarianism. In addition to the assumption that physical constants and laws (e.g. the speed of light, gravity, etc.) were unchanged through history, uniformitarianism is basically just an extension of Occam's Razor, which states that complexity should not be posited without necessity. In other words, we interpret past geological events in light of known, modern events, unless there is evidence to the contrary. With that in mind, consider Mr. Patterson's assessment:

"Evolution also relies heavily on the assumption of uniformitarianism—a belief that the present is the key to the past. According to uniformitarians, the processes in the universe have been occurring at a relatively constant rate. One of these processes is the rate of rock formation and erosion. If rocks form or erode at a certain rate in the present, uniformitarians believe that they must have always formed or eroded at nearly the same rate."

By "evolution", Mr. Patterson is also referring to geologists that reject the notion of a young Earth. It is true that the principle of uniformitarianism has commonly been summarized as "the present is the key to the past", but the description is not exhaustive and Mr. Patterson takes advantage of this fact. He is mistaken in saying that "uniformitarians" believe modern processes have ensued at a "relatively constant rate." Such is a caricature, since no modern geologist would state this a priori. Rates of erosion and rock formation, for example, are determined by geological evidences. Evidence is collected by testing hypotheses generated from observations and/or scientific models of the process. Rates of sedimentation are never simply assumed to be slow or fast. One only needs to search publications on sedimentology and stratigraphy to see that interpreted rates of deposition range over several orders of magnitude (consider the difference between sediments accumulating 1) onto the deep ocean floor, 2) the Mississippi River floodplain, and 3) near the continental slope by means of tectonically driven landslides). However, Mr. Patterson seems to think that catastrophes like Noah's flood are excluded from scientific investigations because of philosophical commitments. On the contrary, many such catastrophes have been interpreted from the geological record and are widely accepted (large-scale floods, meteor impacts, massive lava flows and landslides, etc.). The problem is that most sedimentary layers do in fact show good evidence for slow deposition. He states, "Noah’s Flood, for example, would have devastated the face of the earth and created a landscape of billions of dead things buried in layers of rock, which is exactly what we see." Any geologist would agree that Noah's flood might be expected to leave layers of fossiliferous rocks. Detailed examination of those fossiliferous rock layers reveals they were not the consequence of multiple stages of a single, short-lived event, however, but millions of events over millions of years.

Concluding remarks

The philosophy of science is a difficult subject, since the criteria by which a theory may be deemed scientific are open for discussion. One of the most fundamental and stable of these criteria is testability, or falsification. Mr. Patterson agrees with this criterion, but attempts to distinguish historical science from "operational science" to the extent that he may subject evolutionary theory and historical geology to unwarranted skepticism among his audience. In doing so, he undermines the validity of other historical inquiries, such as the textual transmission of the Bible and historical reality of the New Testament referents, which are undoubtedly important to Mr. Patterson's (and my own) worldview. A faithful application of the scientific method does not render the works of God silent, but results in an efficient, self-correcting means of exploring the details of His masterpiece. I would compare this to the relationship between an artist's mind and the painting, the latter of which was created through a variety of physical processes. One may examine the character of brush strokes, chemistry of the paint, geometry of objects, etc. to determine how the picture was made without consideration of why. An art critic may still ask the "why" questions, but through a very different method.

Science is the active pursuit of knowledge about the natural world. As such, it is methodologically naturalistic, and cannot speak to facts outside the realm of empirical observation. However, the scientific method is one epistemological method among others in the grand scheme of philosophy, and therein rests on principals not subject to scientific inquiry. This categorical distinction should humble the scientific researcher, who, if ignorant of such, is but "a man with his feet firmly planted in midair," to cite the words of Schaeffer.


  1. I like the bit about science.

    Quality sitation of Taleb and excellent summary.

    Thats gold.

  2. P.S. Thanks for buying me Taleb, Chris — fresh outlook on historiography. Glad you liked my summary.

  3. Thank you for taking the time to so thoughtfully critique my work. I certainly admit many of the points are simplistic--it is written for 16-year-olds. The overall intent of the book is to examine the way the ideas are presented in the textbooks used in public schools. These textbooks present very antibiblical messages and those ideas are documented page-by-page.
    We certainly disagree on the compatibility of evolution/long ages and the accounts of Scripture. From reading your other posts, it would seem that you have rejected a young earth view based on what you see in the world, not what you read in the Bible. Is that an accurate representation?

  4. Thank you, sir, for your kind feedback! I was pleasantly surprised to find your name—may I ask how you came across my post? Also, I hope I did not misrepresent your position. I realize now that we were addressing very different audiences, and will try to clarify that in the text when I get the chance.

    With regard to your question, my experience as a beginning geology student raised new scientific challenges against my understanding of YEC, but also inspired me to seek answers as I progressed in the program. Admittedly, the evidence mounted to a point where I lost interest in the controversy, took no official side, and focused on the principles of geology. My dismissal of the young-Earth view as a valid option came later, when I stumbled upon Biblical theology (in the John Owen sense). I found depth to Scripture far beyond the studies of my youth, and found the young-Earth interpretation of Genesis to be exegetically shallow. In essence, I no longer believe that Scripture even teaches a young-Earth viewpoint. Moreover, I found geology to be more "exegetically profound" than before. The paradigm shift resulted in a complementary and productive pairing of general and special revelation.

    I know my answer may prompt further questions regarding the details, which I'd be happy to discuss through e-mail. Otherwise, I appreciate your following my blog, where I hope to elucidate those details in time.


  5. You said, "I would compare this to the relationship between an artist's mind and the painting, the latter of which was created through a variety of physical processes. One may examine the character of brush strokes, chemistry of the paint, geometry of objects, etc. to determine how the picture was made without consideration of why. An art critic may still ask the "why" questions, but through a very different method."
    Wouldn't the critic do better to ask the artist the why questions rather than trying to guess at the answer and then check it against other competing ideas? That is what the Bible is--the Designer's explanation of His work. God has spoken to us through His Word and through His Son (Hebrews 1:1-4, 2 Peter 1:19-2:21, 2 Timothy 3:16, etc.). God has already revealed the method of His creation in the Bible, though certainly not exhaustively, completely enough that we may rule out creation by the big bang and nebular hypothesis and the absence of a global Flood. If you wish to argue against either of these, you do great harm to the Scriptures--rearranging the clear order of Genesis 1 and rejecting that Moses intended to communicate that the highest hills under the whole heaven were covered by the Flood to destroy all flesh on the entire face of the earth. You must explain how Scripture can fit your ideas, which are very new in light of the history of mankind. I do recognize that you have called my exegetical view "shallow," but it is, indeed, a straight-forward reading of the text. The onus is on you to explain why we should not read the Creator's explanation in a straightforward manner as we seek to understand His painting.
    If we restrict our study of nature to your definition of science, we can never ask the painter why he painted the picture as he did. And, even if we did ask, could we still develop ideas that were contrary to the painter’s clear explanations? It would seem so. Then we could tell the painter why he really painted the picture. Too many Christians have allowed the deconstructionist philosophy to pollute the simplicity of the Scriptures.
    You have acknowledged the modernistic thinking that supports the rejection of the core of Christianity. For example, why should we trust that Jesus really died on the Cross, was buried in a tomb, and rose again on the third day? Isn’t that a “shallow” reading of the text that misses the richness of the real meaning, which is that we should be willing to die for those we love? After all, we know from incontrovertible evidence that dead people do not rise from the dead after three days, so we need to come to a deeply exegetical understanding of what that means, not simply accept it as truth. Science tells us that men don’t rise from the dead. We need to see the passion of Jesus as a good moral lesson, not a story of God punishing His Son. (That is where your reasoning, taken to its conclusion, leads. And, many have taken it there.)
    Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
    But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep . For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 1 Co 15:15–22
    Does science support that Christ is raised from the dead? If so, then how? If not, then why would you accept something that is so clearly against the mountains of evidence to the contrary? You must demonstrate a consistent logical framework that allows you to accept the Resurrection account, but reject the Flood account. Both stand in opposition to your explanation of “science.”

  6. I posted earlier in response to your questions, but it seems to have been lost, so I will give it another go.

    Hold the "sir," Roger will do fine.

    As you might imagine, AiG monitors web traffic related to articles we post and other information. That is how your blog came to my attention. For instance, you have an ally in your attack at http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/answers-in-genesis-explains-science-to-us/
    If we were respond to the attacks from within the church, let alone the attacks from outside, the task would be daunting. It is amazing how much opposition we face for defending Scripture--and that's just from the professing church.

    I am not interested in extended email exchanges over our differences. I have come from where you are, so there is no need for me to return. Despite that, if you intend to publicly challenge the ideas of fellow believers, calling their theology shallow and suggesting they are driving people away from Christ, you ought to have the fortitude to defend those ideas in a public forum. (Yes, I read much of your other posts.)

    With that, you have given me a topic to blog about as well. Thanks for the inspiration.

  7. Roger, thanks for your thoughts. I understand it's not practical to respond to all your critics, for you or anyone else at AiG, so I appreciate your response here.

    Just a few quick comments: 1) I don't mean to call your theology shallow. I only meant that the reading of Genesis 1 demanded by AiG results in a theologically shallow interpretation of creation events. Also, please note that we have both "publicly challenged the ideas of fellow believers." I think you would agree that an exhaustive public defense of our respective ideas is a difficult task. Thus I can only plead that you, or anyone else, bear with me as I try to defend those ideas responsibly in time. 2) In my analogy, I said that an "art critic may ask the why questions, but through a very different method." In responding that we should just ask the artist, you illustrated my point. Yes, I am happy to ask the artist; I am grateful for scripture. But this is categorically different from the scientific method. The reading of scripture *is* that "very different method." 3) Miracles, by definition, are excluded from scientific investigation, because they are contrary to our expectation of how the world works. Yes, science suggests that dead men do not rise, but that is precisely what makes the event miraculous. Scientists can accept the resurrection, but not because science leads them to believe so.

    Thanks again for your feedback, and like I said, I hope I can elucidate my reasoning more thoroughly in future posts.

  8. I am enjoying your point of view, but I did want to challenge one particular section, an that is the brief bit on "Bad Design" examples.

    The point of that argument is not to say "the universe can't be designed because of bad design", but to investigate the nature of the designer that ID requires. And that information is incompatible with the concept of an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent designer.

    I am an engineer, and it is a simple fact that I occasionally make mistakes in my design, or choose a sub-optimal path to achieve the same end. That's okay, humans are fallible.

    However, if you suppose an infallible designer, such bad designs should not occur. It doesn't matter if you believe the universe was created as is, guided in evolution, or simply started with rules that create the universe, an infallible designer should be able to get a perfect result. Therefore any imperfections must be deliberate, and this brings us into the area of theodicy, which brings it's own slate of problems.

    1. Yes, I think you're right, so I've long been skeptical of the ID movement. I wrote this article a while back, but I think my goal in raising this point was to say that we can't judge the efficiency of design on the basis of what *we* perceive to be good/bad engineering. In other words, Dawkins' critique assumes certain teleological attributes of God, so it only addresses a particular kind of god that is somewhat foreign to Judaeo-Christian theology.

      I think that in general, attributing 'design' to the particulars of the universe (whether attributes of an organism, solar system, or physical laws) has little philosophical/theological basis. To me, there is too much room for arbitrary conjecture and essentially no opportunity for confirmation of ideas. I'd prefer not to reduce God to an engineer, which is something we must assume to delineate between good/bad design in nature. I think it's bad theology and, as you pointed out, contradicted by what appear to us as imperfect results.